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  • racer68
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    That’s great Art!

    I was taking a look at the different cars that everyone has been working on and they’re all great. So many people have made such an effort it will be fantastic to see these cars racing each other.

     

    Cheers

    Steve

    racer68
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    Good Morning Bill

    That’s great. I hope that the chassis helps speed your build. We now have enough cars either finished or under construction to have a really deep field for our upcoming Mini 500.

    Cheers

    Steve

    racer68
    Moderator

    Ken

    I was just trying to specify an easily policed overall maximum width but I have no problem with a maximum 60mm track as long as there is also a concrete maximum overall width. Thinking just of my builds, let’s call that 63mm overall.

    I’m not enthusiastic about three basically identical cars for testing as that takes away from the creativity that I’m trying to encourage. I would be open to designing and printing a 3D chassis for Felix or anyone else who’s interested whether it be sidewinder, anglewinder or inline in order to speed up the testing process. I would need the desired track, wheelbase and overall length and width. If you already have a car in mind a photo copy of the bottom of the car would also be helpful.

    Ken you and I both live in Scarborough, I’m not sure where Felix lives. Vicky and I have a large back yard and we have started hosting small groups outside. I’m willing to host up to four people and might even throw in a hot dog if it would help move the discussion.

    Cheers

    Steve

     

    racer68
    Moderator

    Good Morning Everyone

     

    Firstly thank you Art for committing to hosting any HR+ events  once we have come to some consensus as to what HR+ should be. Without the commitment of track owners this would be an exercise in futility as Felix, Ken and I don’t currently have our own tracks.  I certainly have my own ideas on how to move forward and I’d like to share some of them here.

    Being mindful of some of the potential difficulties of wide track open wheel slot cars on tracks with 3″ spacing here’s what I’ve come up with so far.

    1. The limited torque of the slow FF050 motor means that all builders would have to make the trade off between wider tires and track and better performance, therefore I suggest this be the spec motor for this class, allowing much greater choice in chassis design (inline, sidewinder, anglewinder ) while keeping the HR cars competitive with the HR+ cars. This will allow greater creativity by those who wish to build new cars  while insuring existing cars would be run with them thereby allowing fuller fields and minimizing category creep.

    2. I’ve taken my calipers to the bodies I’d hoped to use as Hot Rods and the widest is my ’41 Willy’s Coupe at 62.5mm which is positively gigantic next to my 53mm ’32 Ford. So in order to allow for the full range of Hot Rods I suggest a maximum width of 65mm, no ifs ands or buts the widest part of the car whether fenders or wheel assemblies be 65mm. I fully expect most cars will not be this wide as there is no competitive advantage and most would be esthetically compromised being this wide but I think it’s important not to over regulate as it does stifle creativity.

    3. Felix and Ken,  I’ll gladly exchange ideas with you on how we might develop cars for this class. I will commit to building a car but I’m probably the slowest builder in the club, having said that my next project after the two Indy Roadsters I’m working on will be a Hot Rod. The three of us however aren’t the only ones that this class is for so I encourage all interested club members to consider a build.

    This is not a Steve, Felix and Ken issue it is a club and rules issue so we should try to frame it that way. The lively discussion we’ve been having is the sort of thing that keeps clubs living and breathing.

    4. I doubt that these changes are likely to cause significantly greater problems racing as everyone will have had to make their own car and are therefore not likely to be reckless with their handiwork. Any problems I’ve had racing have been due to lack of familiarity and skill not recklessness. I don’t like it when even my R32 cars get scuffed up or lose pieces.

    5. We’ve had some great looking and innovative Hot Rods brought by former members to compete that did not fit the HR rules but did not cause significant problems while racing. I’m not sure I’ve got the name right but Larry’s cars come to mind.

    So much for my interim thoughts, let’s talk’

    Cheers

    Steve

    racer68
    Moderator

    Good Morning all

    It’s great to see such a spirited exchange on this forum. There are so many interesting and valid points, even if they can be contradictory.

    Art I like the way you’ve outlined the two basic classes of rules, by looking at it this way we can make changes that benefit all the club members without being inordinately bound by dogma.  I agree that Class 2 rules need more consideration. Many of us may never be front runners but still don’t want anyone but ourselves impeding our progress.

    It seems to me that the only obstacle to widening the track for the Hot Rod class is the space they might take up on the narrower tracks that we race on. That’s fair enough. How about this as a possible compromise. The overall width of any Hot Rod at it’s widest point, either the outside of the body/fender unit or the widest part of the tire, which ever is greater may not exceed 60mm. This is the width allowed for our 3LGP class which I believe can run successfully on any of our host tracks and well below the maximum width of some of the classes we already run. If we continue to mandate the slow motor, which I think we should, we could allow both inline and sidewinder/anglewinder options which would allow greater diversity of builds and maybe a few more exposed engines( if you can find them). Hot rods have always been about speed but the culture that grew out of them was purely about style. Let’s allow more style into the HotRod class. The really competitive racers will most likely gravitate towards the fastest set up but by opening up the rules this way we can allow everyone to express themselves in the way they best see fit just like the full size automotive scene.

    Cheers

    Steve

     

    racer68
    Moderator

    Not only would I not want any currently eligible models to be excluded but I would love a greater diversity of Hot Rod styles to be eligible. I think that is in the spirit of the original and the evolving Hot rod Ethos.

    Cheers

    Steve

    racer68
    Moderator

    Good Morning Everyone

    Felix It’s good to see your detailed and thoughtful feedback on the rules especially around the Hot Rod class/classes.

    I would suggest for the sake of parsimony that the Hot Rod/ Rat Rod classes be combined and that light trucks such as Art’s Mandarin Monsoon be allowed in the Hot Rod class. I think that having an HR and HR+ class is workable as long as the two get to race together even if classified and scored apart. This should allow for both better build diversity and fuller racing fields.

    Cheers

    Steve

    racer68
    Moderator

    I’m sorry I won’t be able to attend this session. I do have a couple of suggestions though. I think it would be great if we had the ability to use wide wheels and tires for the “Hot Rod” class so that we could emulate the types of cars that can be seen in movies such as “American Graffiti” or at the shows like the various “Good Guys” shows in The States, which are the biggest displays of Hot Rods on the planet. I’d also suggest we put off any changes or adjustments to the Indy Roadster class until after the we’ve gotten together for the seminar on “Building a Front Motor  Indy Roadster” as the realities of building such a car might suggest some tweaking of the expected formula.

    Anyway I hope you all have a blast.

    Cheers

    Steve

    in reply to: Bass-Seca Build #18742
    racer68
    Moderator

    Congratulations on the new track. It looks great!

    Cheers

    Steve

    in reply to: Taking Apart Scalextric GP #18522
    racer68
    Moderator

    I have so many broken cars, with so many broken pieces. Now Felix, I’m trying not to get upset, but are you telling me that they may have died in vain. Thanks for the step by step breakdown. It’s so much easier when you can follow someone’s example.

    Cheers

    Steve

    racer68
    Moderator

    Thanks Art

    I’ve deleted a couple of my redundant posts but left one that I still feel works to summarize the recent progress on the roadster chassis. It’s great to see more activity on the board lately. I think it helps to keep up our interest until we can race again. I’m sure everyone appreciates your efforts to keep the board going and operating smoothly, I know I do. I will try to post whenever I have anything that might interest our group. New content is the lifeblood of websites.

    Cheers

    Steve

     

    in reply to: 3D printed Indy Roadster chassis #18499
    racer68
    Moderator

    Hi guys

    I thought I’d give a quick update on my Roadster chassis. I scavenged some parts from existing cars so that I could start some testing. Very quickly I found that the shaft bearing would need some additional support as snapping it in had allowed  it to  occasionally pop out at speed and I didn’t want to glue it in until the entire car was finished and ready to race. So I designed a little screw in brace. The 3D printer really has trouble printing tiny parts and holes but after a couple of iterations I came up with this :

    It’s strong enough to accept the small Professor Motor body screws I had on hand and keep the bearing in place, while still being removable for any drive train changes.

    Cheers

    Steve

     

    in reply to: 3D printed Indy Roadster chassis #18508
    racer68
    Moderator

    I added the bracket as the shaft bearing was popping out at speed, the snap fit I had designed was enable to restrain the torque of such a mighty motor!

    All better now, things are starting to slowly pull together.

    Cheers

    Steve

    in reply to: 3D printed Indy Roadster chassis #18507
    racer68
    Moderator

    Bracket for shaft bearing

    Cheers

    Steve

    racer68
    Moderator

    Hi Art

    I’m having some of  the same types of issues as Felix. I made a post to an existing topic yesterday morning(which may have gone over the size limit because of  inadvertently choosing the wrong image) and it has not yet shown up but some of  my posts often take a day or more to be visible and some I’ve had to redo several times despite seeming to fit all the specified parameters.

    Cheers

    Steve

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